This instalment marks the first time the two presenters have recorded separately, with Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu in Thay's Sitting Still Hut in Plum Village France, and journalist Jo Confino at the Garrison Institute, New York.

Speaking from two different continents, they explore fame and humility. What price do we pay for our fame-obsessed societies? Can humility become a great power? How do we show up in the world? What is it ‘to be enough’ in the world? And how did Thay handle fame and other famous people?

These dimensions are discussed with help from Buddhist teachings, Thich Nhat Hanh’s practices, and the presenters’ personal life stories, giving us a flavor of experiences of fame, but also the power of humility in service to life.

Brother Phap Huu further delves into inferiority, superiority, and equality complexes; openness and insight; unconditional presence; humility in learning and being; simplicity; curiosity; Thay’s bodhisattva energy; and honoring blood and spiritual ancestors. And how is Brother Phap Huu coping with… feline fame?

Jo Confino muses about humility in leadership; the power of leading from the middle; responsible journalism; ‘un-cultivating’ fame; looking inwards and outwards with humility; fame as another form of extraction; and more.

The episode ends with a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:32 Humility and Fame in the Zen Tradition
00:07:13 Zen Story about the Overpouring Cup of Tea
00:08:07 Beginner's Mind
00:08:54 How to Listen; Curiosity, Openness and Getting Insight
00:12:43 Observation; Looking Inwards and Outwards with Humility; Manas
00:18:43 The Story about Thay and a New Book; Honouring Blood and Spiritual Ancestors; The Practice of Sharing the Merit
00:22:46 Fame as Another Point of Extraction
00:23:44 The Power of Leading from the Middle
00:25:16 Humility as Action; Washing Socks Is Not A Waste of Time (Thay Story)
00:34:23 Superiority Complexes; Ambitions; Contributions to the World
00:37:41 Using Humility to Excuse Things or Belittle Ourselves
00:39:29 What Should an Abbot Do?
00:44:31 Humility in Leadership
00:47:27 ‘Un-cultivating’ Fame
00:49:44 Experiencing Fame (Jo’s Story)
1:00:19 Experiencing Fame (Brother Phap Huu’s Story)
1:09:00 Success or Happiness?
1:13:41 Fame, Loneliness, and Separation
1:19:44 How Thay Dealt with His Fame
1:32:26 Guide Meditation by Brother Phap Huu
1:40:14 Outro

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org/
Thich Nhat Hanh ➛ https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu/
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/

The Garrison Institute ➛ https://www.garrisoninstitute.org/
Dharma Talks: ‘The Power of Understanding - Transformation of Manas’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-power-of-understanding-transformation-of-manas-dharma-talk-by-sr-tue-nghiem-2018-08-02/
Dharma Talks: ‘The Face of Manas Revealed: Understanding a Hidden Aspect of Our Consciousness’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/live-dharma-talk-by-sister-tue-nghiem-2020-11-29-plum-village/
Parallax Press ➛ https://www.parallax.org/
The Happy Farm ➛ https://thehappyfarm.org/
The Order of Interbeing (OI) ➛ https://orderofinterbeing.org/
The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) ➛ https://www.iucn.org/our-union/iucn-world-conservation-congress
Plum Village Thailand ➛ https://plumvillage.org/practice-centre/plum-village-thailand/
The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village/
Dharma Rain, and Being Alone (short teaching video by Thich Nhat Hanh) ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYmON_ElwMw

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