Director and co-writer Neil Druckmann, Ashley Johnson (Ellie), and Troy Baker (Joel) join Greg to talk about EVERY DETAIL of The Last of Us Part II. SPOILERS AHEAD. Game provided by PlayStation.

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00:00 - Intros
01:00 - Dr Uckmann “Controversy”
01:35 - Ads for KF
03:00 - “Future Days” as the connective tissue of the game / “One Night Live” Event
06:34 - When did you know you’d come back to TLoU?
09:00 - Was there hesitation coming back? (Ashley)
11:06 - Was there hesitation coming back? (Troy)
13:47 – Is Joel’s character on a pedestal from Part 1? (Neil)
15:16 - Joel in Part 2 vs Part 1 and criticism from audience about Joel (Neil)
16:20 – Criticism of Joel (Troy)
18:48 – Respecting the character, “deserving” death in the world of TLoU (Neil)
19:24 – Ellie as Protagonist and Ashley as Lead in Part 2 (Ashley)
21:58 – Preparing for The Scene (Troy) (a Must Watch)
24:30 - “Nobody loves this character more than me…except maybe Troy Baker”
(Neil Interlude)
25:38 – Directing and Prepping The Scene, (Neil)
30:22 – Evoking dread/anger and being uncomfortable (Neil)
31:38 – Leaks and Death in context (Neil)
32:09 – Watching the Leaks in Real Time and the lack of context (Neil)
38:02 – Was the game a hard sell for PlayStation? (Neil)
39:53 – What Is the Message of Part 2 for you? (Greg)
40:32 – What Is the Message of Part 2 for you? (Ashley)
42:38 – What is the Message of Part 2 for you? Obsession, Sins of The Father, (Troy)
46:13 - What Is the Message of Part 2 for you? Love - best and worst aspects, human decisions and ego (Neil)
48:49 – Listener Q: Symbolism of the moths (Neil)
50:15 – Symbolism of Light and Dark…and why is Abby so jacked??? (Greg)
51:48 – Answer. (Neil)
52:21 - Abby’s life purpose was not to kill Joel (Neil)
52:55 – Joel and Abby’s arcs are similar. A story of redemption. (Neil)
53:22 – Doing the Flashbacks - non linearly especially the Museum (Troy)
57:29 Bye Troy
58:15 - Recording capsule scene in the museum/ father daughter moments(Neil and Ashley)
1:01:20 - How long have Joel and Ellie not spoken to each other (Salt Lake City to Barn scene)? (Greg)
1:03:50 – Porch Scene (no hug) (Neil)
1:05:30 – Listen Q – Is Ellie returning to Jackson? (Greg)
1:06:57 – Is Ellie returning to Jackson? (Ashley)
1:07:30 – Is Ellie returning to Jackson?(Neil)
1:08:25 - Is Ellie returning to Jackson? (Ashley continued)
1:09:10 - Is Ellie returning to Jackson? (Greg continued)
1:10:55 – “Ellie’s obsession with Abby is like a drug addict” and letting go of the addiction (Neil) (Must Watch)
1:11:37 – Interpretation of Ending as a Revenge Story: (Ashley)
1:13:03 - Interpretation of Ending as a Revenge Story: (Neil)
1:13:45 - "There is no Right answer." Criticism of the ending (Neil)
1:14:15 - Listener Q: What was the decision around the ending of the game? (Revenge is hollow?)
1:17:00 - Answer: Abby v Ellie (Neil) (Must Watch)
1:18:10 - Listener Q : Too dark? Seeing the best and worst in humanity (Neil)
1:20:01 - Why make us play as Abby? (Greg)
1:21:45 – Characters making the choices that the player doesn’t want them to make (Greg)
1:23:08 – Ellie is trying to be Joel …and she isn’t. Being inside Ellie's head (game play v cut scene).
1:24:40 – Playing Ellie – her choices and motivation as an actor and playing PTSD (Ashley)
1:26:50 – Joel, Ellie and Abby’s arcs parallel - “Quieting inner demons and trauma” (Neil)
1:27:30 – Abby saves Ellie. “There is no relief” (Ashley)
1:30:11 – Where did the character of Abby come from? (Neil)
1:31:56 – How Laura Bailey came to be Abby. (Neil)
1:35:17 – Listener Q: Why was there such an effort not to talk about Abby early in reviews/spoilercasts?
1:38:50 - Listener Q : Character of Lev and included a trans character? Addressing criticism and use of dead name (Neil)
1:42:48 - Listener Q : Favourite moment to shoot? Grow House sequence with Dina and porch scene with Joel (Ashley).
1:44:11 – Don’t forget Neil’s “sex scene” (trolls)
1:44:20 - Listener Q : Favourite moment to shoot? Porch scene with Joel (Neil)
1:45:15 - Listener Q : Favourite moment to shoot? Ellie and Tommy scene after Joel’s death (Ashley continued) Jeffery Pierce shout out
1:45:38 - Tommy and Ellie’s final scene and mirroring (Neil)
1:47:15 – Listener Q : “Take On Me” moment. Why that song. Making amazing moments optional (Neil)
1:49:14 – RETURN OF THE VITA
1:49:58 – Listener Q : “Future Days” release date vs outbreak?
1:50:40 – Listener Q : What does new menu screen mean after finishing the game? (Abby Lives!)
1:51:41 – Listener Q: Are there plans for DLC?
1:52:30 – Listener Q : Anna/Abby/Pregnant women comic book mix-up
1:53:20 – Listener Q: Was Ellie secretly Joel's hairdresser?
1:54:10 - Steimer Q: Why does Owen not notice Abby’s injury (noose)?
1:55:35 – Laura Bailey is awesome and deserves some good vibes sent her way.
1:56:13 – Thanks to Neil and Ashley.