John joins Alexander Downer to explore the significant geopolitical challenges of today, drawing comparisons to the dangerous period of the 1930s.

Alexander warns of potential large-scale conflicts stemming from entanglements in Ukraine, the Middle East, and the South China Sea, emphasizing the need for a strong, principled approach to foreign policy. He criticises the gradual decline in defence spending and the unpreparedness of Western countries, driven by a false sense of security. Alexander also questions the economic viability of extensive green energy initiatives, arguing they impose heavy burdens without significantly impacting global emissions.

Touching on migration, leadership, and the rise of populism, Alexander encourages political leaders to be honest and transparent, taking seriously the public concerns about declining living standards, illegal immigration, and the sustainability of welfare programs. He calls for a renewed sense of patriotism and pride in national achievements, rejecting divisive identity politics and historical denigration.

Alexander Downer is an Australian former politician and diplomat who was the leader of the Liberal Party from 1994 to 1995, Australia's longest-serving Minister for Foreign Affairs from 1996 to 2007, and served as High Commissioner to the United Kingdom from 2014 to 2018.
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00:00 Intro
01:37 Dangerous Times
14:23 Trust Between Government and Public
36:00 We Need Better Leadership
40:35 Nationalism, Patriotism and Immigration
48:52 Israel and Antisemitism
01:05:52 Dictatorships Within the West
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